Legislature(2009 - 2010)CAPITOL 106

04/13/2010 09:00 AM House COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS


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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
    HOUSE COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                   
                         April 13, 2010                                                                                         
                           9:08 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bob Herron, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Representative Cathy Engstrom Munoz, Co-Chair                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative John Harris                                                                                                      
Representative Wes Keller                                                                                                       
Representative Charisse Millett                                                                                                 
Representative Sharon Cissna                                                                                                    
Representative Berta Gardner                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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OVERVIEW: VISITOR INDUSTRY IMPACT IN ALASKA                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CURTIS THAYER, Deputy Director                                                                                                  
Department of Commerce, Community, & Economic Development                                                                       
(DCCED)                                                                                                                         
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented an overview entitled "Visitor                                                                  
Industry Impact."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
STEVE HITES, Port Commissioner                                                                                                  
Skagway Port Commission                                                                                                         
Skagway, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Encouraged passage of legislation reducing                                                               
the commercial vessel passenger tax.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
FRED REEDER, Port Manager                                                                                                       
Cruise Line Agencies of Alaska                                                                                                  
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Encouraged  the committee  to support  the                                                             
decrease in the commercial vessel  passenger tax for Alaskans and                                                               
Alaskan jobs.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CRAIG DUNCAN, Finance Director                                                                                                  
City & Borough of Juneau                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Discussed  the financial  impact  of  the                                                             
$34.50 commercial vessel passenger tax in Juneau.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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9:08:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  CATHY ENGSTROM  MUNOZ  called the  House Community  and                                                             
Regional  Affairs Standing  Committee  meeting to  order at  9:08                                                               
a.m.  Representatives  Munoz and Herron were present  at the call                                                               
to order.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^Overview: Visitor Industry Impact                                                                                              
          Overview: Visitor Industry Impact in Alaska                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
9:09:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MUNOZ  announced that the  only order of  business would                                                               
be  an overview  of the  impact of  the visitor  industry in  the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:09:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CURTIS   THAYER,  Deputy   Director,   Department  of   Commerce,                                                               
Community, & Economic Development  (DCCED), related that he would                                                               
discuss  a  recent study  DCCED  commissioned  from the  McDowell                                                               
Group regarding  the economic impact  of the tourism  industry on                                                               
Alaska's  economy.    He  then turned  attention  to  the  slides                                                               
entitled  "By the  numbers  ...,"  the first  of  which uses  pie                                                               
charts to relate the Alaska visitor  volume as well as the cruise                                                               
market share  in the summer of  2009.  He informed  the committee                                                               
that  about  two-thirds  of  summer   visitors  are  cruise  ship                                                               
passengers.    Approximately  65  percent  of  Alaska's  [summer]                                                               
visitors arrive by  ship.  Another way to measure  the percent of                                                               
visitors to  the state is  regarding how the tourist  entered and                                                               
exited the  state.  When  tourists enter Alaska, they  often exit                                                               
by airplane,  ferry, and highway.   The total number  of visitors                                                               
to the state [in 2009] was  1.58 million.  Referring to the first                                                               
slide entitled  "The Good,"  he pointed  out that  those visitors                                                               
produced about  $2.1 billion in  total visitor  industry spending                                                               
and  $3.4  billion in  direct,  indirect,  and induced  spending.                                                               
Visitor industry employment  accounts for about 36,000  jobs.  He                                                               
then  highlighted that  in Southeast  Alaska  tourism amounts  to                                                               
about 21 percent  of the economy whereas in  the Interior tourism                                                               
amounts to about 9 percent of  the economy and in Southcentral it                                                               
amounts  to about  7 percent  of the  economy.   Tourism produces                                                               
$1.1 billion in  labor income and $2.8 million in  tax revenue to                                                               
state  and  local governments.    Tourism  spending in  Southeast                                                               
Alaska amounts to about 35  percent, Southcentral Alaska about 43                                                               
percent  or a  little over  $600 million,  Interior Alaska  about                                                               
$230 million,  Southwest Alaska  about $88  million, and  the Far                                                               
North about $21  million.  He then reviewed  the visitor spending                                                               
by region  and sector  as illustrated  by the  pie charts  in the                                                               
presentation.   Mr.  Thayer then  reviewed  the visitor  industry                                                               
employment  totals  per  region,  with  Southcentral  having  the                                                               
highest amount  of employment in  the visitor industry  as 17,600                                                               
are employed in Southcentral Alaska.   He mentioned that although                                                               
the employment  in the Far  North region  is the lowest  with 300                                                               
employees,  it is  growing  as there  are a  lot  of small  niche                                                               
markets such as  in Kaktovik and Prudhoe Bay.   He noted that the                                                               
Office  of Economic  Development  through the  tourism agency  is                                                               
mentoring smaller programs in the Far North region.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER reviewed  the graph  entitled  "Selected Revenues  to                                                               
Municipal  and State  Governments  October 2008-September  2009".                                                               
The   total   municipal   revenue  tourism   generated   in   the                                                               
aforementioned timeframe  was $69.8  million.   Revenue generated                                                               
by tourism in  the form of sales tax totaled  $28.9 million while                                                               
the  amount generated  in bed  taxes totaled  $23.5 million.   He                                                               
pointed out that  the decline in tourism results in  a decline in                                                               
all  economies across  the state;  the difference  resulting from                                                               
the decline is  usually made up by private property  owners.  The                                                               
state receives  revenues from tourism that  total $138.8 million,                                                               
including the  commercial passenger vessel  tax in the  amount of                                                               
$46.4 million, the  passenger gambling tax in the  amount of $6.3                                                               
million,  and  the Ocean  Ranger  program  in  the amount  of  $4                                                               
million.    The  state  revenues also  include  revenues  in  the                                                               
following   categories:     nonresident  fishing/hunting/trapping                                                               
licenses  and  tags,  Alaska  Marine  Highway,  Alaska  Railroad,                                                               
vehicle  rental  tax,  and  corporate  income  tax.    The  total                                                               
selected revenues amount to $208.6 million.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. THAYER, referring  to the slides entitled "The  Not So Good",                                                               
informed  the   committee  that  after  decades   of  growth  [in                                                               
tourism], visitation declined  7 percent last year.   The decline                                                               
resulted in a  loss of $270 million in spending  in Alaska.  This                                                               
summer alone, cruise  ship passengers are expected  to decline by                                                               
140,000  passengers.    The decline  in  cruise  ship  passengers                                                               
amounts to  a $150 million  loss in  the state's economy  and the                                                               
loss, over  a two-year period, in  nearly 5,000 jobs.   These are                                                               
jobs  in  mom  and  pop  small  businesses.    He  then  directed                                                               
attention  to  the  slide  with   the  chart  entitled  "Loss  of                                                               
government  revenue  from  2009  decline",  which  specifies  the                                                               
percent loss  in bed tax  revenues, vehicle rental  tax revenues,                                                               
Alaska  Department of  Fish  & Game  (ADF&G)  license sales,  and                                                               
sales tax revenues.  He  told the committee that Whittier expects                                                               
to have  88,000 less visitors,  which will also  impact Anchorage                                                               
car and hotel rentals.  He  reminded the committee that losses in                                                               
sales tax revenues have to be made up by residents in the area.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:17:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THAYER moved  on  to the  slide "What  can  be done?"  which                                                               
highlights the  governor's tourism enhancement legislation.   The                                                               
governor's legislation reduces  the head tax from  $46 to $34.50,                                                               
but keeps intact the corporate  income tax, the gambling tax, the                                                               
Ocean Ranger  tax, et  cetera.   The governor's  legislation also                                                               
clarifies   the  guidelines   on   appropriating  tax   proceeds,                                                               
[relates]  long-term  and   sustainable  marketing  efforts,  and                                                               
removes  barriers  that  inhibit   growth.    Alaska's  marketing                                                               
efforts  have   slipped,  especially   in  comparison   to  other                                                               
countries.    For  instance,   Australia  spends  almost  $70-$90                                                               
million on marketing.  Referring  to the slide entitled "Benefits                                                               
to state",  he highlighted that  the tourism industry  has agreed                                                               
to drop its lawsuit against  the state and reconsider cruise ship                                                               
deployments for  2012 beyond,  if the  head tax  is reduced.   He                                                               
pointed  out that  cruise ships  make these  determinations 18-24                                                               
months ahead.   Therefore, it took a while  for the redeployments                                                               
to occur after implementation of the  head tax and will take time                                                               
to get these ships back in  Alaska.  He emphasized that Europe is                                                               
experiencing  double digit  increases in  the number  of visitors                                                               
and ships  are being built  that aren't  going to be  deployed in                                                               
Alaska.   "So, it's not that  there's a problem in  the industry,                                                               
the problem is that Alaska  has the highest tax and environmental                                                               
regulations in the world," Mr.  Thayer said.  He then highlighted                                                               
other benefits  to the state, including  putting Alaskan families                                                               
and  businesses back  to work  and growing  and diversifying  the                                                               
state's  economy.    In  conclusion,   Mr.  Thayer  related  that                                                               
reducing  the head  tax  is  the one  piece  of legislation  that                                                               
impacts  more small  businesses  and the  entire  state than  any                                                               
other piece of legislation.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:19:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MUNOZ noted her appreciation for Mr. Thayer's work and                                                                 
the information he has provided today.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:20:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE HITES, Port Commissioner, Skagway Port Commission,                                                                        
paraphrased from the following written testimony [original                                                                      
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     I am a 37-year resident  of Skagway, and have served on                                                                    
     our  City Council.  I am  currently serving  as a  Port                                                                    
     Commissioner.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     In  1986  my  wife  and  I took  our  life  saving  and                                                                    
     invested them  in three  1920s antique  automobiles for                                                                    
     sightseeing tours. We  drove all of our  own city tours                                                                    
     ourselves. My  brother-in-law was the  company mechanic                                                                    
     and  back-up  driver.  The   morning  that  we  finally                                                                    
     started up  our new tour  business, we had  exactly $50                                                                    
     in  the cash  box,  and it  was the  very  last of  our                                                                    
     family's money.  But the  ships came in, they were full                                                                    
     of people  who wanted to  see "Gold Rush  Skagway", and                                                                    
     we were there to show it to them.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The  growing cruise  industry allowed  us  to grow  our                                                                    
     business, create  other jobs  for other  family members                                                                    
     (my sister-in-law,  her husband, my sister,  my nephew,                                                                    
     my son),  and create new  jobs for other people  in the                                                                    
     community.  Some of  these  jobs  are now  year-around,                                                                    
     even  in a  seasonal industry.  We developed  property,                                                                    
     paid   property  taxes,   started   up  several   other                                                                    
     businesses,  and collected  sales taxes  on all  of our                                                                    
     transactions for the City. The City's revenue grew.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     The individual job that is  created by a private sector                                                                    
     company in  a community  is essential  to understanding                                                                    
     the real  value of  cruise tourism.  The person  with a                                                                    
     job in tourism  job pays rent, buys  groceries, goes to                                                                    
     the hardware  store, buys clothing,  purchases gasoline                                                                    
     for their car, goes to  local restaurants and bars, and                                                                    
     pays the  local electric, phone, and  internet provider                                                                    
     for  service. As  all this  is  happening, the  company                                                                    
     this  person  works  for  is  purchasing  supplies  and                                                                    
     materials for  their business in the  same way. Tourism                                                                    
     is  a  spending multiplier,  and  its  effect puts  the                                                                    
     tourism dollar  into the hands  of a broad  and diverse                                                                    
     set  of  actors,  reaching  into  many  businesses  and                                                                    
     touching a wider and wider  range of individuals across                                                                    
     a community.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     In  1986  when  we  started  our  business  there  were                                                                    
     100,000  cruise  visitors  to Alaska.  Alaska  hit  one                                                                    
     million cruise visitors  a year in the  summer of 2007.                                                                    
     It had never  happened before: it was  a huge milestone                                                                    
     achievement.  But since  that time,  the Alaska  Cruise                                                                    
     Ship initiative,  which added a series  of taxes, fees,                                                                    
     and  regulations   onto  the   top  of   existing  port                                                                    
     expenses, increased  the cost  of operating  in Alaska.                                                                    
     For  2010, Alaska  has lost  140,000  berths. This  has                                                                    
     never happened before, either.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Alaskan communities built  "churches for Easter": docks                                                                    
     and facilities that could handle  the busiest days with                                                                    
     stacks  of four  and five  ships  in port  at the  same                                                                    
     time.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     It was  our decision  to do this.  We're the  ones that                                                                    
     went to  the bank,  took out the  loans, and  built the                                                                    
     infrastructure. We  bought extra buses,  railroad cars,                                                                    
     built  new gift  shops, restaurants,  and theaters.  We                                                                    
     did  this   all  based   on  the   optimistic  business                                                                    
     probability  that this  was all  going  to continue  to                                                                    
     happen the way we had seen  it happen every year for 30                                                                    
     years. And if there had  been no Cruise ship initiative                                                                    
     the probability  is that  things might  have continued.                                                                    
     Certainly  there   would  have  been   fluctuations  in                                                                    
     traffic, but we would not  have seen ships removed from                                                                    
     the  region because  of the  unacceptably high  cost to                                                                    
     operate  in  Alaska  vs.  the  lower  cost  to  operate                                                                    
     anywhere else.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     It's like moving  money from a bank  account: if you're                                                                    
     going to  get a better  interest rate at  another bank,                                                                    
     you move your funds.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Remember:  the  cruise  lines will  ALWAYS  fill  their                                                                    
     ships, one way  or another, whether they  have one ship                                                                    
     or 25  ships sailing  in the  region. The  question is:                                                                    
     how much  of a  "push" do the  cruise lines  put behind                                                                    
     your  region? As  they grew  their fleet  presence, the                                                                    
     industry grew  their marketing budgets until  they were                                                                    
     spending some  $75 million  each year  marketing Alaska                                                                    
     to  get their  one  million passengers.  But when  they                                                                    
     remove ships from  a region, they also  pull back their                                                                    
     marketing  dollars so  that  money  follows the  ships.                                                                    
     With the loss of three  big ships and 140,000 berths in                                                                    
     2010,  Alaska has  lost some  $11.75 million  in cruise                                                                    
     line marketing support this year  alone. That's why the                                                                    
     State  needs to  address  a funding  source for  Alaska                                                                    
     marketing: a  huge chunk  of it  just sailed  away! And                                                                    
     27% of  the people who  take an Alaska  cruise returned                                                                    
     as an  independent traveler within three  years. THAT'S                                                                    
     where  our "independent  travelers"  were coming  from,                                                                    
     too. Reduce your cruise ship  traffic now, and you will                                                                    
     reduce your independent traffic down the road.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     So in  addition to the  thousands of jobs,  hundreds of                                                                    
     businesses,  and the  millions of  dollars in  economic                                                                    
     benefits to  communities, there  is an  overall benefit                                                                    
     to all  Alaska tourism,  all of it  as an  outflow from                                                                    
     the ship.  This happens just  by letting the  ship come                                                                    
     in.  None of  it happens  because someone  watching the                                                                    
     ship  sail by  decides  they "deserve  a  piece of  the                                                                    
     action".                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     This is a  clean industry.  The  discharge water coming                                                                    
     out of  a cruise  ship's outflow  pipe is  cleaner than                                                                    
     the water coming out of  any municipal sewage treatment                                                                    
     plant  in  any  city  or town  in  Alaska.  Many  small                                                                    
     Alaskan towns  don't have recycling  programs, programs                                                                    
     that  are in  place  on most  cruise  ships sailing  in                                                                    
     Alaska.  The ships  have to  recycle  their waste.  But                                                                    
     vocal  citizen advocates  in Alaska  have succeeded  in                                                                    
     imposing a  higher bar on  the cruise industry  than on                                                                    
     any  Alaskan community.  One  article  in an  extremist                                                                    
     environmental  publication described  how cruise  ships                                                                    
     suck the life and beauty out  of the land as they pass,                                                                    
     leaving behind only  a blue haze of  exhaust hanging in                                                                    
     the air, and a polluted ocean in their wake.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The implication  is that  cruise ships  are destructive                                                                    
     by their very existence. This is patently absurd.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's  leaders need  to stand  up to  the extremists                                                                    
     and the extreme regulations  and taxes they promote for                                                                    
     their agendas. These extremists  are the most dangerous                                                                    
     opponents  of Alaska's  communities. Their  course will                                                                    
     wreck  our   economy,  remove  paths  to   wealth,  and                                                                    
     eliminate opportunities. Alaskans  don't want this. But                                                                    
     there  are many  people who  are easily  swayed by  the                                                                    
     seductive "spin"  put out by  the extremists.  The only                                                                    
     way  to   counter  this  is  to   disseminate  truthful                                                                    
     information about  the value of this  industry with our                                                                    
     neighbors, communities, and  government. The end result                                                                    
     will be a  public that understands the  facts, and that                                                                    
     is open to supporting the industry.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     The cruise  tourism is a  partner in our  economy. They                                                                    
     are  just  like  oil  and   gas,  mining,  timber,  and                                                                    
     fishing. They are NOT a "target"  to go after to try to                                                                    
     balance a  budget. They are  not a source  of unlimited                                                                    
     funds that  can be tapped  to pay for  everything. They                                                                    
     are an engine of regional economic growth.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Those  of us  in business,  in local  Government, those                                                                    
     who  were  the  direct   beneficiaries  of  the  cruise                                                                    
     industry's growth, we are the  most to blame. We didn't                                                                    
     properly stand  up for the  cruise lines, or  rally our                                                                    
     neighbors  to our  cause against  the extremists.  It's                                                                    
     our fault.  Quoting Pogo, the  sage comic  strip possum                                                                    
     from the bayous  of Louisiana: "We have  met the enemy,                                                                    
     and he is us."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     It's no different than an  auto manufacturer in Detroit                                                                    
     looking at his  cost of doing business there.  If I can                                                                    
     make more  money, if  I can be  more profitable  for my                                                                    
     shareholders, if I cannot get  the people in Detroit to                                                                    
     understand  the reality  of my  financial situation,  I                                                                    
     will move my factory to  Tennessee. If you're the Mayor                                                                    
     of Detroit,  or the Governor  of Michigan, or  a member                                                                    
     of the  Michigan legislature, and you  don't UNDERSTAND                                                                    
     that,  it's  YOUR  loss.  It's no  skin  off  the  auto                                                                    
     manufacturer. Really. He may not  WANT to do it, but he                                                                    
     will. He HAS TO. It's  about the health and survival of                                                                    
     his business.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The cruise  lines don't WANT  to leave.  Alaska cruises                                                                    
     have a  good market  niche. But they  can make  a whole                                                                    
     lot  more money  putting  their ships  in other  places                                                                    
     where they  don't have such high  costs and restrictive                                                                    
     regulations.  The  lines  are  building  and  launching                                                                    
     almost two  dozen brand  new cruise  ships in  the next                                                                    
     two years to  meet the growing world  demand for cruise                                                                    
     vacations.  NONE  of them  are  coming  to Alaska.  Our                                                                    
     destination   is   too   expensive,   and   no   longer                                                                    
     competitive   in   the   cruise   industry.   Economics                                                                    
     absolutely DOES enter into the equation.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The extremists  tried to tell  the Alaskan  public that                                                                    
     economics didn't matter. They lied.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     "It's  only fifty  bucks", they  said.  No, that's  not                                                                    
     right,  that's  not  true or  factual,  it's  over  $50                                                                    
     million every year,  $150 million in total  so far, and                                                                    
     so you can't say that.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Their  $50 million  State head  tax this  year will  be                                                                    
     responsible for  over $93 million  in lost  revenues to                                                                    
     businesses in  Southeast Alaska, and over  $165 million                                                                    
     lost statewide. So a "tax  on cruise passengers" really                                                                    
     ends up taking  three times as much out  of the pockets                                                                    
     of Alaska  small businesses. That was  NEVER the intent                                                                    
     of that  legislation. It  was NEVER  the intent  of the                                                                    
     voters in Alaska.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Facing the  loss of cruise  passengers to  Skagway this                                                                    
     summer, after 15 years I  have closed my Skagway retail                                                                    
     businesses,  and with  it, eliminated  5  jobs. I  have                                                                    
     canceled orders  with dozens of  small "made-in-Alaska"                                                                    
     family companies  who were  my suppliers.  Those orders                                                                    
     were worth thousands of  dollars annually. These orders                                                                    
     have stopped. I have had  to reduce my driving staff by                                                                    
     two full-time  positions, and two  half-time positions.                                                                    
     And, because we  know that with fewer  ships again next                                                                    
     year  things will  be even  worse, my  wife and  I have                                                                    
     already decided that we have  to eliminate a minimum of                                                                    
     two more  full-time jobs  next year  as well.  This was                                                                    
     NEVER the intent of the  cruise ship initiative. It was                                                                    
     NEVER the intent of Alaska's voters.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     No one  knows what havoc and  economic destruction will                                                                    
     come  in  the  wake  of  the  loss  of  140,000  cruise                                                                    
     visitors: but employees will be  laid off, jobs will be                                                                    
     eliminated,  businesses  will  close,  and  communities                                                                    
     will  lose their  local tax  base. All  of this  so the                                                                    
     initiative  sponsors  can  say   they  have  created  a                                                                    
     "steady flow of tax money  coming in" to the State from                                                                    
     the cruise ships?                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Where will  that money come  from when  these excessive                                                                    
     taxes and regulations  drive away all but  a handful of                                                                    
     ships, and the  source of all those taxes  is no longer                                                                    
     around to  take further abuse?  What will the  State do                                                                    
     when  a dozen  formerly  prosperous communities,  whose                                                                    
     local  tourism  economies  have  been  wrecked  by  the                                                                    
     initiative,  come begging,  hat in  hand, pleading  for                                                                    
     help? What  industry will the extremists,  the pirates,                                                                    
     try to extort money from next?                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     When the  extremists started preaching their  views, we                                                                    
     ignored  them,  thinking  their  off-the-wall  comments                                                                    
     were the  raving of crazed anarchists.  We learned that                                                                    
     if crazy  things get said  over and over  enough times,                                                                    
     unfortunately,  unbelievably,  some   people  start  to                                                                    
     believe them.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:30:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HITES continued:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     We  are greatly  heartened by  Governor Sean  Parnell's                                                                    
     historic   visit  to   the  Seatrade   Cruise  Shipping                                                                    
     conference  in Miami  last month,  where he  personally                                                                    
     met  with  our  cruise  line  customers.  The  Governor                                                                    
     carried  our message  to  the  cruise industry:  Alaska                                                                    
     hears you. And Alaska is open for business.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Now it's  the crucial job  of this  body to pick  up on                                                                    
     the Governor's  lead, and urge  your colleagues  in the                                                                    
     House and Senate Finance Committees  to move the needed                                                                    
     legislation out  onto the floors of  these chambers for                                                                    
     discussion and vote.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Deployment of  cruise ships to  Alaska is  usually made                                                                    
                st                                                                                                              
     by March 31.   At least one of the major lines has said                                                                    
     that they will wait  to make their deployment decisions                                                                    
     until  after  this  Legislative session  ends.  If  the                                                                    
     lines do not get some  relief, I believe they will have                                                                    
     no choice but to  make additional reductions in tonnage                                                                    
     in 2012.  Given that,  the next opportunity  for Alaska                                                                    
     to  reverse  this  downward curve  and  the  collateral                                                                    
     damage it will cause will be for the summer of 2013.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Many small businesses  will not make it  that long. For                                                                    
     many of us, our family  businesses have been our life's                                                                    
     work. We  are watching that life's  work crumble before                                                                    
     our eyes. We  are here to plead for help.  You can stop                                                                    
     this. With your vote, you can change this around.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     There is a  big wide world covered with  ocean just out                                                                    
     there. Cruise  ships can go  ANYWHERE on  it. Thousands                                                                    
     of working Alaskans and their families look forward to                                                                     
       welcoming some of them back in the not-so-distant                                                                        
     futureā€¦to Alaska.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:32:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HERRON inquired as to  Mr. Hites' reaction to the recent                                                               
briefing paper regarding the commercial  vessel passenger tax and                                                               
the  newspaper   article  relating   that  there  is   a  pending                                                               
settlement pending legislation.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HITES related  that his  first reaction  was thank  goodness                                                               
there might be a chance for  this.  He clarified that although he                                                               
has worked  all his adult  life in  tourism, he doesn't  work for                                                               
the cruise industry  but rather works with them.   He referred to                                                               
the cruise industry  as his customer and like  any other business                                                               
trying to  make a little money.   Mr. Hites said  that his second                                                               
reaction was concern whether the  [pending legislation] will make                                                               
enough of  a difference to  matter soon  enough.  He  related his                                                               
belief that  there is opposition to  reducing the tax as  well as                                                               
confusion  and  misunderstanding.   In  fact,  some  believe  the                                                               
economy  is the  problem, which  he opined  isn't the  case.   He                                                               
further related the  desire to work with the  government and make                                                               
this  work.     Mr.  Hites  then  acknowledged   that  the  vocal                                                               
opposition who  led the  initiative collected  10,000 signatures,                                                               
but  pointed out  that he's  representing 32,000  [tourism] jobs.                                                               
The future, he opined, is terrifyingly uncertain.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:36:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  HERRON recalled  that those  in opposition  to reducing                                                               
the  cruise vessel  passenger tax  suggest decreasing  it to  $39                                                               
rather  than  to  $34.50  as  is proposed  in  legislation.    He                                                               
inquired as to  what's the meaningful difference  in amount, most                                                               
specifically he inquired  as to why a  reduction of approximately                                                               
$11  would work  [for the  cruise  industry] and  a $7  reduction                                                               
wouldn't.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. HITES responded  that it's a formula of  net onboard revenue.                                                               
He  emphasized that  the  opposition  doesn't understand  because                                                               
they don't  understand that after  the cruise line takes  all its                                                               
costs, they  make a 10-11  percent return.   When the $50  tax is                                                               
added on  top of that 10-11  percent return, it results  in a 1-2                                                               
percent return.  There isn't a  profit margin there, which is why                                                               
the cruise lines are going to  the Mediterranean.  At that point,                                                               
the argument  is no longer  on a reduction  of $7 versus  $11 but                                                               
rather is an  argument with another country such as  Spain.  This                                                               
matter isn't $50, it's about the future of Alaska, he stressed.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:38:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HERRON thanked Mr. Hites for his testimony.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. HITES said  it's an honor to  be a part of  this industry and                                                               
to be blessed to be in Alaska and share it with others.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:40:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRED  REEDER,  Port  Manager, Cruise  Line  Agencies  of  Alaska,                                                               
returned to  the earlier  question regarding  why a  reduction of                                                               
the tax  to $34.50 was  chosen.  In  order to understand  why the                                                               
$34.50 was  chosen, one needs  to return to the  founding fathers                                                               
and the  Articles of  Confederation under  which the  states were                                                               
more in  charge than the  federal government.  As  goods starting                                                               
moving, communities taxed goods as  they moved through their port                                                               
such that  those further down the  line paid more for  the goods.                                                               
The founding fathers decided that  just because the barge went by                                                               
a community,  that community  couldn't just  tax it.   Therefore,                                                               
the Tonnage Clause was inserted  into the constitution specifying                                                               
that the  service provided  to a  vessel can  be taxed,  but just                                                               
because a vessel passes by it  can't be taxed.  Because there was                                                               
litigation  in  effect from  the  Alaska  Cruise Association  the                                                               
original  2006  initiative  specified  that  25  percent  of  the                                                               
proceeds from  the tax  would be used  to create  subaccount, the                                                               
regional impact fund.  He explained  that $34.50 is 25 percent of                                                               
$46.00.  He then informed the  committee that last year there was                                                               
a case, Bridgeport  Ferry Authority v. Bridgeport  Ferry in which                                                             
the Second Circuit Court of  Connecticut found that the authority                                                               
had raised the price of the ferry  ticket by $1 per head and then                                                               
spent those funds on things  not related to providing services to                                                               
the  ferry  passengers.    In  that  case,  the  judge  said  the                                                               
authority couldn't  [increase the ticket  price by] $1.00  if the                                                               
entire $1.00  wasn't spent  on providing  services for  the ferry                                                               
passengers.     The  judge,   after  reviewing   the  authority's                                                               
expenditures of the $1 per  ticket, determined that the authority                                                               
could  only  account   for  $.25  of  the   $1.00  it  collected.                                                               
Therefore, Mr. Reeder  said he believes that there  was review of                                                               
what was legally defensible of  the $46.00, of which the regional                                                               
impact fund was the first.   The farther away the funds are spent                                                               
from the  port at which they  were collected, the more  the judge                                                               
will  review   the  line  item   expenses  of  the  port.     The                                                               
aforementioned means  that the state would  be held [responsible]                                                               
for money it already spent.   He opined that the state has likely                                                               
spent  funds collected  from the  tax on  projects that  won't be                                                               
defensible in  the lawsuit.   Therefore,  although the  state may                                                               
prevail in the lawsuit, it won't  be at the full $46.00 level and                                                               
thus the state  will have to reimburse passengers.   He estimated                                                               
that the state would have already  spent about $50 million.  With                                                               
regard to  the community  offsets for  Juneau and  Ketchikan, Mr.                                                               
Reeder  said those  are already  taxes that  are being  taxed and                                                               
probably legally  defensible expenses.   The  other good  part in                                                               
the  proposed  Senate  legislation  is  that  the  final  section                                                               
discusses  performing  a study  after  three  years in  order  to                                                               
determine how much money was  collected, spent, and the amount of                                                               
needs  requested.   The aforementioned  is the  best part  of the                                                               
proposed Senate legislation, he opined.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:46:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REEDER informed  the committee  that  the City  of Sitka  is                                                               
facing a  $1 million  loss in  sales tax  revenue because  of the                                                               
decrease  in cruise  ship  passengers.   The  City  of Sitka  has                                                               
already  been before  the legislature  to increase  the municipal                                                               
revenue sharing.  If the City  of Sitka is given $1 million extra                                                               
to  account for  the loss  in cruise  ship passenger  [revenues],                                                               
then there's  less money  to provide to  Anaktuvuk Pass  or other                                                               
sources of  funds have  to be sought.   Those  Alaska communities                                                               
that  can take  care of  themselves should  do so.   Such  action                                                               
frees up  funds for  those communities that  don't have  a strong                                                               
economic base.   He reviewed the  losses Sitka is going  to face,                                                               
and  questioned  from where  the  funds  will  be obtained.    He                                                               
predicted  that  the City  of  Sitka  will cut  teachers,  police                                                               
officers,  and  other  staff.   In  fact,  such  discussions  are                                                               
already occurring.   Therefore, he emphasized  that bringing back                                                               
cruise ships is a good thing for the community.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:48:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. REEDER  related that  he was  born in Sitka  in 1952  and has                                                               
seen the  community change since  that time.  He  further related                                                               
that  when he  graduated  from  Sitka High  School  in 1971,  the                                                               
Alaska  world was  available.   Currently, Mr.  Reeder has  three                                                               
children, who  he always anticipated  would work for him  if they                                                               
so chose.  This summer his eldest  son will work for him and earn                                                               
$9-$11,000 for the summer.   He explained that typically he hires                                                               
seven  college students,  but this  year  he will  only have  two                                                               
college students working  for him.  He said he  has been saddened                                                               
because he has had to turn  away five college students.  The City                                                               
of Sitka, he related, is short  100 jobs in the tourism industry.                                                               
Although many  of the tourism  jobs are seasonal in  nature, they                                                               
provide  hopes  and dreams  for  Alaska  youth.   He  noted  that                                                               
although  his middle  son and  daughter were  lucky and  did find                                                               
jobs in  the tourism industry,  they are not  as good or  as well                                                               
paying as  the jobs he  offers.   He then informed  the committee                                                               
that probably  15 fairly wealthy  men have moved  from Washington                                                               
State  to  Sitka, [opened  businesses],  and  employee people  in                                                               
Sitka.  Upon  contemplation as to why these men  moved from Sitka                                                               
to Washington, he  determined it was due to the  fact that Alaska                                                               
has  less taxes  than Washington  State.   He opined  that people                                                               
living in  areas that are over  taxed move to an  area that taxes                                                               
less.   "The economic benefits of  those states that tax  less is                                                               
amazing.   We  are the  benefit of  Washington's high  taxes much                                                               
like the  City of Sitka  has low  taxes and encourages  people to                                                               
move there,  we need to  make sure  that in our  visitor industry                                                               
that we  keep our taxes  low and continue  to ask people  to come                                                               
here," he  opined.  The  state's low taxes benefit  all Alaskans.                                                               
In  conclusion, Mr.  Reeder encouraged  the committee  to support                                                               
the decrease in the head tax for Alaskans and Alaskan jobs.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:55:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CRAIG  DUNCAN,  Finance  Director,  City  &  Borough  of  Juneau,                                                               
clarified that he is present  to discuss the financial impacts of                                                               
$34.50  on  Juneau,  not  the  merits of  the  $34.50  tax.    He                                                               
explained  that the  City &  Borough  of Juneau  (CBJ) funds  its                                                               
operations with a combination of  property taxes and sales taxes.                                                               
In 2008  the property and  sales tax  was about equal.   However,                                                               
beginning in  2009-2010, the sales  tax has declined  rapidly and                                                               
is actually less  than the property tax by  a significant amount.                                                               
The decrease in the sales tax  is due to a combination of things,                                                               
including the  economic down turn.   In fact, there has  been a 6                                                               
percent  in   local  sales  from  local   year  round  residents.                                                               
However, the  actual decrease in  the sales tax  is significantly                                                               
greater, which he mainly attributed  to a reduction in the cruise                                                               
ship passengers.   He informed  the committee  that approximately                                                               
20 percent  or so of CBJ's  sales tax revenues are  from tourism,                                                               
mainly from  cruise ship  passengers.  The  actual impact  due to                                                               
the decline  in tourists  is about 40  percent of  the reduction.                                                               
The tourism going  from over 1 million [visitors]  to a projected                                                               
860,000 [visitors]  represents several  million dollars  of sales                                                               
tax revenue  to the  city, which  places the  city in  a negative                                                               
financial situation along with other  issues.  Therefore, CBJ has                                                               
had  to  reduce   its  operating  budget  by   some  $4  million.                                                               
Fortunately, that reduction  was accomplished without eliminating                                                               
occupied  positions but  rather  it included  the elimination  of                                                               
vacant positions.   Mr. Duncan related that he  has heard reports                                                               
that those  businesses that deal  solely with tourism  are simply                                                               
not going  to reopen this  year.  The aforementioned  will impact                                                               
the  sales  tax collected  as  well  as  the economy  related  to                                                               
employment  in  the  year round  businesses  that  [the  seasonal                                                               
tourism  businesses] support.   He  then referred  to a  graph he                                                               
provided to  the committee which  illustrates that the  drop from                                                               
2008-2010 is  about 6.5 percent.   The critical part is  that the                                                               
city continues  to have cost  increases.  Had the  city continued                                                               
to experience the same trend  [prior to the decrease in tourism],                                                               
the  city would've  collected 14  percent more  than its  current                                                               
level.  The  sales taxes for CBJ  are down to 86  percent of what                                                               
was anticipated prior  to the economic recession  and decrease in                                                               
cruise ship  passengers.   Of that 14  percent reduction,  a more                                                               
than  proportional piece  is  due  to the  fact  that the  cruise                                                               
industry is pulling ships from  Alaska.  Those 140,000 passengers                                                               
will make about a 40 percent impact  on the sales tax.  The graph                                                               
illustrates that in  2011-2012 CBJ's sales tax  improves and some                                                               
increases  in  the  economy  in terms  of  the  Kensington  Mine.                                                               
However, the  increase will  not occur in  the [tourism  area] if                                                               
the  cruise  industry  continues  to  have  fewer  passengers  in                                                               
Juneau.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MUNOZ  requested that Mr.  Duncan comment on  the impact                                                               
of property  tax reassessments due  to property  value decreasing                                                               
in the visitor sector.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:01:16 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.     DUNCAN,     in     response    to     Co-Chair     Munoz,                                                               
said  that  at  this  point  it's  a  little  early  because  the                                                               
assessments  for the  fiscal  year ending  in  2011 are  assessed                                                               
January 1,  2010, which was  three months  ago.  He  then related                                                               
that commercial  properties did decrease  quite a bit  last year,                                                               
by  about 8  percent boroughwide.   However,  he opined  that the                                                               
reductions will occur this summer  when there is a full reduction                                                               
in the  cruise ship  passengers on  those businesses  that target                                                               
tourism.   Therefore, there  will likely  be large  reductions in                                                               
the 2011  assessed value.   How  much the  reduction will  be, he                                                               
said he could estimate.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:02:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MUNOZ asked  if the  $4 million  deficit CBJ  faces for                                                               
this biennial budget cycle also  take into account projections on                                                               
property.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DUNCAN replied  yes, but  clarified that  the deficit  is $4                                                               
million per  year.  Therefore,  [the deficit] is $8.8  million in                                                               
the two-year budget.  Therefore,  it's a significant cut and work                                                               
on cuts  has been  going on  for a  year now.   The  $8.8 million                                                               
deficit is due to a combination  of things, perhaps 50 percent or                                                               
less of  it is  attributable to  sales taxes.   The  property tax                                                               
projections  assume stable  commercial property,  which is  being                                                               
assumed because the  belief is that any  reductions in commercial                                                               
property reductions  due to a  decline in tourism will  be offset                                                               
by the  opening of  the Kensington Mine.   However,  he confirmed                                                               
that there  will be reductions  in property valued  of commercial                                                               
properties that are seasonal.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:04:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MUNOZ thanked  everyone for  their participation.   She                                                               
then  related that  she  feels very  confident  that progress  is                                                               
being made  and there will  be legislation addressing  the cruise                                                               
ship passenger tax.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:04:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Community  and Regional  Affairs Standing  Committee meeting  was                                                               
adjourned at 10:04 a.m.                                                                                                         

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